That 94 mph fastball to Rhys Hoskins is that danger more than 3 mph difference in velo from normal, which is to say, he usually sits 97-98, touching 100 and dropping as low as 96. Well, the rich smart teams. "I'm just excited that there's some security in knowing I'll be here with these guys in this clubhouse," Strider said. A year ago, the Super 2 status was set a 2 years and 116 days, which is about normal, even low in recent years with most Super 2 status cutoffs falling in the 130s. He would have been Arb 1 eligible after 2024. Draft: Drafted by the Cleveland Indians in the 35th round of the 2017 MLB June Amateur Draft from Christian Academy of Knoxville (Knoxville, TN) and the Atlanta Braves in the 4th round of the 2020 MLB June Amateur Draft from Clemson University (Clemson, SC). Most rookies dont end up becoming Aaron Judge BTW. Of course, thats certainly not all the Braves will do this winter. Add in that Yankees more than any other team have their games moved to ESPN and Fox, and its often a challenge to play the game of find the Yankees. Less games on YES, but no reduction in the carriage fee we pay. I disagree with this because the Mets basically played .600 most of the season. We have tools and resources that can help you use sports data. Brilliant. Story put up a 112 OPS+ and 26.8 bWAR in the 6 seasons leading up to his deal with the Red Sox. Personally, I think the key is to get control of extra free agent years in exchange, but even there they didnt do that well by only getting one or two of them. If you think he deserves his contract, you are as tone-def as you are capable of catching a pun! The more Atlanta does this, the higher the likelihood that at least one of these extensions ends up not working out for the team in the long run. The Braves are collecting talent at bargain prices, while the Marlins are paying too much for Avi Garcia and Jorge Soler, The Mets will pay a ton for for Brandon Sir Only Walks And Nothing Else Nimmo, the Phillies are paying a fortune to Harper who is the Carmelo Anthony of baseball (OK, but much better), and the Nats can no longer get stars to sign with them. His decline in velocity at the end of his outing may just be a conditioning issue due to his inactivity. This was risky to me as well. Good grief. Research when he was drafted by the Yankees coming out of High School. Yum, yum, peach juice flowing, baby. Not a fan of it, but thats the way it works. For instance, John Blitzer tried saying Soto was worth almost $200M in excess value for 2.5 seasons, while still paying him $60M in salary. Thats more than just the best rookie season ever. Youre the one who seems to be carried away w/your attempts to belittle Strider. I guess thats why you make comments without referencing who you are talking about or what makes you an expert. Itll be a long time before someone gets a deal over $35M/yr and 7-years long. First of all, hes not a Super Two candidate, and even if he was, the Braves would have another year of control to where he wouldnt be a free agent until after 2028. Strider has been significantly better than Harvey so far. In 2023, Strider will earn a base salary of $1,000,000, while carrying a total salary of $1,000,000. But they have shown the willingness to lock up their young stars. They control his first two FA years for somewhere in the range of $40-50MM total, depending how aggressively you want to project his arb numbers and only one of the two years is even guaranteed. We anticipate him being really good because he was yesterday in the pen. The Braves dont seem to pay for peak seasons from post-prime age players, especially not at SS, which is about the easiest position to put a cheap, 2 WAR floor under, given fielding peaks in players early 20s. 36. Give Swanson credit for being healthy for the last couple of seasons. Trevor Bauers arb years: $6.5M (2018), $13M (2019), $17.5M (2020) My hope is an in-market streaming option arrives by next April. He had a 5-2 record with a 4.71 ERA, allowing 53 hits, 38 walks, and 89 strikeouts. Now the baseball world is looking forward to what he could do while serving as a starter over an entire season. If you do not allow these cookies we will not know when you have visited our site, and will not be able to monitor its performance. The Braves arent getting a $100 ticket and hoping for either behind the dugouts or in the suite. Dansby is gone. Use without license or authorization is expressly prohibited. Product executive enabling intelligent decisions through enriching and enhancing data and delivering it in awesome products. 1st year $7.225 mm If he is 2nd in ROY he is credited with a full year of service so he definitely would NOT be a Super Two. Spencer Strider is still a rookie for the Atlanta Braves, but he has the potential to advance to the major leagues. If you dont you price yourself out of future contracts by playing the waiting game. Geraldo Quintero, IF 8. With the holiday weekend underway, let's look for some sparkler 2027: $20-22M. Meanwhile the Mets toss money at aging crap. 27. Position players tend to be better values when extensions are considered, especially in terms of injury risk. Well put DMC. It was that year I knew hed be a douchebag for being a Yankee bandwagoner in SoCal. The defending World Series champions will start the NLDS at Truist Park in Atlanta. @ice. Before his MLB career, he was a member of the Augusta GreenJackets, Rome Braves, Mississippi Braves, and Gwinnett Stripers. People who dont have money always assume having money means being reckless with it, but those that have wealth and maintain their wealth, never spend it frivolously. Career Earnings: View Spencer Strider 's Teammates Salaries Current Contract: Why to constant trashing of the Mets when both teams won 101 games. I disagree. YOU HAVE 20,000 FOLLOWERS: $100 per post at a $5/CPM. This deal shows me the Braves have enormous confidence in Strider. Id be shocked if Strider made more than $45 mil over the next 5 years in total if we let this all play out. Join our linker program. Around $150 million for those 7 seasons. They played their home games at Truist Park (Park Factors: 114/116) where 3,129,931 fans witnessed their 2022 Braves finish the season with a .623 winning percentage. Theyve got Fried under control through 2024. You know how you can tell you are wrong? In 2023, Strider will earn a base salary of $1,000,000, while carrying a total salary of $1,000,000. I feel bad for all of the players not being drafted because the owners have shortened the draft. Thats only free agent contracts. He will finish 2023 with 2 years and 3 days of service time not even close to the top 22% of players in his class. So he still would not have been a Super Two. Dylan Dodd, LHP 9. All of this assumes he basically pitches like this year (not a full season, but elite performance) going forward. The Mets and Braves won the same number of games in the season, and the same in number in October. OR they could extend him now for what amounts to 7/87. People dont seem to understand just how good Striders peripherals are. Theres some degree of risk for the Braves in laying out such lengthy commitments, even if each looks quite team friendly in a vacuum. Be patient, dont retype your message, it will there in a minute, I think when this kid told the media after a loss to the Mets that they got cheap, bloop hits and were luckythen follows it up with well see how they are in October, spoke volumes on his make up and confidence. Spencer Strider currently plays position Starting Pitcher for Atlanta Braves in Major League Baseball, the senior baseball league in the United States. They cant keep getting away with robbery forever. My point was that Soto would be worth at best $140M in excess value, he tried justifying the $200M by saying it was the premium for trading for a star. It seems about in the right range. Harper was a huge part of that. If youre a Tigers fan, you probably should hope Baez opts out after 2023. Another pitiful troll comment from books. Strider has two pitches and has started for 2/3 of a season. Also Read, Tom Stenberg, Cyrus Michael Christopher Dancy, and Morgane Stapleton. Even if Strider had Bob Gipsons 1968 season or even put up Verlanders 2022, there is no precedent for this contract. Im doing the same at the end of October. View a free real draft analysis of a fantasy baseball league featuring 12 teams in a STD format. Does he hit enough to play left field? Your Shane Spencer strawman garbage makes no sense as a comp for any extension the Braves have executed. If his performance stays this high he will make over $80 million in his pre-arb year and those 4 arb years. They lost in the playoffs, winning 101 games isnt a collapse. Strider already had TJS while he was still at Clemson. Just saying. Nonetheless, as weve seen with young position players in recent years, the market for these types of extensions can still advance rapidly. He wouldve made around $1M per pre-arbitration year in 23 and 24, anyway. But I wonder if a team can reach a point that they have too many of these deals and can could reduce their roster flexibility down the road. Sure Ks make more money, but his control years should be as follows if he doesnt fall off at all: 2023: minimum So yeah, cost of living is a factor. From the official MLB site: To qualify for the Super Two designation, players must rank in the top 22 percent, in terms of service time, among those who have amassed between two and three years in the Majors. Half these contracts wont work out. Why pay him more than the ML minimum hes going to get next season (if he even makes the ML roster)? in Columbus, OH No, hes *NOT* a Super Two candidate. His market will drive up the price being one of the only 2nd tier options (behind pricier Boegarts, Trea Turner; Correa shouldnt opt out). If we remove his first-full season clunker in 2017 and fold in 2022, hes still only at a league-average 100. These cookies allow us to count visits and traffic sources so we can measure and improve the performance of our site. (Age 22-338d, This seems like something the MLBPA would endorse. But not to worry, I did that for you. Love to see this for a team and their fan base, Win win for both sides. J.R. Ritchie, RHP 3. His salary will jump to $4 million in 2025, $20 million in 20216 and $22 million in 2027 and 2028. You could risk buying the ticket at the ball game, but it comes with a 10% day-of-purchase fee. Hes getting old and is owed a good chunk of change still. Rich teams have figured this out. The $75MM guarantee for Strider shatters any prior precedent for pitchers with such limited experience. They lost Acuna and won a WS. To your point, Strider hasnt come close to earning it, hes shown PROMISE, not sustained success. Salary, Earnings Spencer Strider undoubtedly earns a substantial sum of money from his sole career in baseball. Sure, lofty but possible. It will cost money next year. Jurrjens was a Tiger in his rookie season and put up a 3.68 ERA while striking out just 6.6 per 9 in his first season with the Braves. If you swap those times it would be a 1pm local start in LA, at least this way its a 4pm local start in ATL. Rather pay him instead of 330 or whatever to Cole. The Mets performance was more surprising than the Braves. The idea that getting only modest performance for $20m in the last 3 years of the deal will hurt the Braves much at all, though, doesnt follow. These rookies contracts are just starting to be the front office getting over their skis and thinking they cant screw up. Too much money for a mediocre pitcher with one good year. Buying out those arbitration years is key to these deals imo. The expectation is that I outperform any contract I ever sign.". Jansen and Duvall are gone after this yr. Morton, Odorizzi, Yates, and Rosario are gone after next yr. Ozuna will be gone after 2024. Please logout and login again. The net effect of them not manipulating his service time is that they get an extra draft pick as per the new CBA. In fact, you should not make a purchase without a calculator, a phone call to a certified public accountant, and night courses in math at the local community college. Harvey was highly regarded as top prospect while Strider was considered middle reliever until may. If Spencer doesnt get any better than he currently is, hes still an ace. SPENCER AGUIAR. All of their young core is locked up and are going to be WS threats for the next 7-8 years. Hard throwing pitchers get seriously injured a lot. Here it is again, for your convenience. Neither had a season as good as Strider to that point in their careers. Love to see it for the player, team and the fan base. I dont know anything about bonuses with adjustments made to the new CBA. Thats $83M and even then I think those are totally unattainable, even if he won 2 Cy Young Awards and went to the All-Star game every year and what does that save the Braves $11M? Maybe MLB realizes that they werent actually racist. If youre going to belittle someone while claiming to have knowledge of their inferior educational level, you should probably try spelling your insults correctly. Isnt that the first requirement necessary to qualify for the extra service time youre referencing above? $35M (2028 Option). He quickly established himself as one of the teams hardest fastball players. Question, Comment, Feedback, or Correction? Our reasoning for presenting offensive logos. PLAYER. Thats totally irrelevant here. I could be mistaken on this because I dont follow the Braves as closely as you all do; but it seems to me that part of this is AAs (or Braves) intent on establishing the players relationship through goodwill too for the future. https://community.fangraphs.com/velocity-and-the-likelihood-of-tommy-john-surgery/. Dont know what thats worth, but its not nothin. He may spend the season in AAA trying to learn how to play defense. Right?? The Braves are taking the approach knowing that not all of these deals will pay out, including Striders. Now stand in the corner and think about what youve learned today. I dont really comprehend the LOL. Waves of injuries can derail any team at any time, but health-permitting, the Braves are going to be good for a long, long time. It doesnt benefit both parties, Alex A. is a moron that has signed so many extensions that even with all the great deals he got done, the average $$$ is pushing $180M after only 15 of the contracts. Sorry for the redundancy the message from the site was confusing. And Patrick Corbin with the Yankees. . Spencer Strider Contract 2022 Figuring he sets records all along the way: $1M (2023) So basically they guaranteed his arbitration scale in exchange for an extra year, with an option for another year for more money. Strider went on to blame the umpires for some long Mets at-bats, as well as inflating his pitch count. Swanson only played 38 games in his debut season in 2016. year in year out its the same and those dudes post and produce. We present them here for purely educational purposes. Time on the injured list doesnt cut into a players service time, neither does short-term bereavement, COVID, or concussion protocols! Should have let Strasburg leave. I expect the Braves are going to go to Dansby and say Dansby, you see what were trying to do here. Worst case for Strider is close to what happened with Charlie Morton this year, and guess what? 22,552nd in major league history) His 182Ks this year feels more Stantonian than it should for a mid-range power hitter like Swanson. I also think thats one reason Freeman was so guilt-ridden, or whatever, about not returning when he had the chance. The Mets won 101 games and tied the Braves for the division. Yep. Can Story even play SS anymore? Players dont sign team friendly contacts because they enjoy where they are. Now lets say you call Ticketmaster and they tell you that you will get one of the four tickets, but you dont know which one until you get to the ball game. Its just the law of averages. Command was an issue at times in the minors and early in the season, but Strider markedly scaled back on the number of free passes he yielded as the season wore on, finishing out the year with an 8.5% walk rate that was scarcely north of the league average. That means he had a good year, unlike 2022. I see it as a risk vs. Since Strider got a full year already based on service time it has no bearing here. 37. But this deal also looks ok for the Atlanta ball club even if you factor a 20 percent likelihood of a derailing injury midway through the deal. So we are primed in the next 2 years ti go after anyone and hopefully alvarez and baty are legit to add to alonso lindor and whoever else. He might not be worth what hes asking. 4th year $30+ MM If the right billionaire acquired them and they signed say Judge, Trea and Arenado, this would be one truly awesome team and their payroll would still be less than several other teams. Riley was warranted. While no one can predict the future, ATL knows these players theyre extending better than anyone. Draft You dont pay max arb prices to save $8M. Similar thing happened last year when LAD needed to replace Corey Seagers offense by sliding Muncy over and signing Freeman at half the price. https://www.mlb.com/news/daniel-camarena-grand-slam-off-max-scherzer, Wouldnt call him aging crap, but hes on the decline. It assumes continued success after only 130 IP in the majors, it assumes zero regression, it assumes increase arb records at every level, it assumes higher investments on pitchers which is trending away from that since all starters are facing TJ surgery at least once in their career. Still waiting to see the projection where two arb years are the same, factoring in the obligatory TJ surgery. Corbin Burnes is entering his 5th full season and 2nd pass through arbitration, which is only projected to pay him $11.3M. No Gavin Lux -- big problem. Swanson has not been nearly as good as Baez was prior to signing with the Tigers. Wrong bonuses are aside from the yearly contracts and have nothing to do with arbitration contracts either in setting the floor or adding to the annual amount. I sure would like to have more of a track record than a single season. There are so many reasons this could go bad and we arent even talking about the new pitch clock, the pickoff throw rules, and other changes to the game itself. I hope we dont give Swanson more than 3 years, even if the AAV has to be high. He was a big reason why the Braves had the fifth-best ERA in the league. ET, many of these same folks were discussing an extension that could keep the rookie sensation in Atlanta until at least the 2028 season. If you look at the Braves team what they have done extremely well is develop players.